Former Liverpool defender Dominic Matteo speaks exclusively to the ECHO about his historic gambling addiction and how he’s now helping others after teaming up with EPIC Global Solutions.
Dominic Matteo is embarrassed when he thinks about just how much money he lost to gambling debts both during and after his playing career. The former Liverpool defender is on the record confirming such losses ran up to over £1m, while he was declared bankrupt in 2015.
But he is not afraid to own that embarrassment either. And having teamed up with gambling harm prevention specialist EPIC Global Solutions, he is now on a mission to help others and warn about the dangers associated with betting.
Handed his Liverpool debut in October 1993, the former Scotland international made 155 appearances for the club before being sold to Leeds United in a £4.75m deal in August 2000.
Such a transfer went through despite the fact that Matteo failed his medical. But it wasn’t until the final years of his career, at Blackburn Rovers and Stoke City where he was plagued by injury, and following his retirement that his gambling addiction became crippling.
Matteo’s new role as a programme facilitator with EPIC will see him engage with leading sports professionals, including likely engagement with EFL and SPFL football clubs, and explain the detrimental effect that problem gambling had on him and those closest to him.
While embarrassed by his mistakes, Matteo is glad that he can now put such experience to good use and is determined to help others avoid falling into the same traps.
“I just felt that it was the right time for me to tell my story,” he explained in an exclusive interview with the ECHO. “EPIC approached me, and I just loved the way they were doing stuff.
“I thought, ‘Right, I’ve got a real opportunity to possibly help a lot of people from all different age groups.’ Because I did have that problem myself, maybe I’m the right person to come on.
“There’s nothing nice about telling people your mistakes you’ve made. But I’m big enough and ugly enough to understand that I made mistakes with the gambling, and I’m embarrassed by it. And I don’t want anyone else to feel that embarrassment going forward.
“So if I get an opportunity to speak to anyone at any level in football, I’m going to be there and try to help them the best I can do. I want to say how it affected me and how I got to where I got to.
“The biggest thing I know is that it’s going on a lot more than what we all think. Young footballers and young sports people are very easily led and with the money in football now, it’s even worse in a way. They can’t help earning the kind of money they earn.
“I totally understand it. And I’ve done well out of it myself. So I’m not here having a go at people, but just have a think about what you’re up to with the betting side of it. There are so many different things. Everyone’s everyone’s finding a vice somewhere along the line.
“There’s a prime example in football, and I only talk from the football side of it. Address it properly, because we didn’t have any support like this when we were young players. No-one knew what you were up to. You go to training and then you go home.
“When I was playing, it was part of my life and it made me think that I’m sure other players from my era were probably very similar to me. Where it was about you go to work, you play your games, you do well, you go for a beer, you have a bet.
“That was very much the era I grew up in and people will think that’s pretty normal, to be honest. But when you think about it, it’s not really normal, is it?”
He continued: “The amounts of money that I lost was vast and like I said, I’m embarrassed about it. I really am embarrassed about the amount of money I’ve lost and how that affected my family and kids. It’s the embarrassment and the shame that I’ve given. And, now it’s out there. It’s been out there for a while.
“So from my side, I just want to try and educate senior players and younger players if I get the opportunity. I’m just happy to be out there explaining what we are doing and trying to help others and also the families as well.
“If people have got an issue, you do need the family behind you to support you and stop you from making these bad choices, which is very hard because you can hide that on your phone, whatever way you want to do it.
“But for me, it’s a chance to give back. And it’s also a chance to, to help others, which is what I’m here for. Now connecting with EPIC, I can speak about it more.
“I want to be personal with people. If people have an issue, and they want to approach me, I think at any level I can help anyone from lower leagues right to the top because I’ve been through a lot. Not just with the football world, with my health and all kinds. So I’m in a place in my life now where I can give a little bit back to other people who’ve got issues.
“You want to educate them about the gambling side of it. If I can shock a few people, I don’t mean that in a bad way. You have to sometimes shock people so they don’t do something.
“Because I don’t want any kid to be down that route, or any player to be down that route, no matter what age they are, to follow in the footsteps of me and however many others who’ve probably been in this position because it’s a lonely place and it’s not a good place to be. And I’m glad to be out of it.
“Every time I get out there and get a platform to talk about certain issues like this one with EPIC, I’m there and I’m going to do it. I’m going to do it, and I’m going to try and help as many as we can.
“I’m not bothered about getting told off in the papers or whatever people think about me. They can say, ‘Oh, he’s lost all this money. What an idiot.’ Hey ho, if that helps someone else from going down the road I went down, then that’s all that matters.
“I’m happy to make a fool of myself, because of the mistakes I made, if it’s going to help someone else, I don’t mind. I’m happy to be that fool as long as other people are all right. I’m not bothered. It’s important to tell your story and tell it honestly. If I make a mistake, I try and rectify it. I’m just here to help.
“I know gambling is the hardest thing to kick. Drink, drugs, whatever else people are up to. Gambling is the hardest one to kick. By a mile.
“People won’t understand that but when you are a gambler, you will understand it. So it is a case of getting to the source before it actually happens to people.”
Looking back on his own career, Matteo reflected on how his own gambling addiction unfolded and how his debts skyrocketed.
“Footballers and sportsmen have this addictive personality,” he said. “And they want to win and they want to be the best and they want to win by any cause, any way they can.
“Being through the pyramids of earning little money, and then earning really good money gives you a bigger opportunity to lose more as well. When you’ve got a big wage coming in every month, do you use that responsibly? I don’t think I did.
“That was the thing that always used to get to me. You’re looking for your next kind of high in a way. And gambling, if you win, it’s the best feeling ever.
“But we only talk about the wins, don’t we? We don’t talk about the losses, which happen more than the wins, by the way. They certainly did for me.
“When I was playing, I just walked around as normal, no one bothered me. When you’re a young player and you finish training at 12.30pm, 1pm max. You’re home by 1.30pm. What do you do? All the bookies were open and you start having a bet.
“I went and had a bet even though I was playing at the highest level. I’m not proud of what happened. I think when you’re earning more money, it’s easier to spend more money if you understand what I mean.
“If I lost a bit of money, I’d think, ‘Oh, well, I can earn that back.’ But you shouldn’t look at it like that. You should be thinking, ‘Wow, I’ve just lost a lot of money.’
“And I think the weird thing about myself is that when I lost them, big sums of money, it didn’t really affect me that much. I don’t know why, I knew it was crap and it was wrong.
“It was only really when you think about what you’ve done to your family or the kids and you know, the money you’ve lost and blown.
“When you’ve retired, there’s more time on your hands. There’s more opportunity to go to the bookies or do whatever you might be doing. I think you’ve got to find something else.
“For me now, because obviously with my health situation, I had to find training to give me something. Give me a lift. You have to find something else that’s away from your issues. Once you’ve got a routine, routine is really good.
“But when you lose that routine, that’s when the problems creep in. They crept in for me when I lost my routine. That’s when you retire. Your routine goes to pot.
“I trained every single day when I played, loved it. And then when I retired, I didn’t really do that much for about a year and a half. And you put a bit of weight on, you don’t look like you used to and if you get embarrassed again.
“Betting and the other things going on, you feel, ‘What’s happened to me here? What has gone on?’ But I’m sure I’m speaking on behalf of a lot of other players in that position as well.
“It’s a very short career, make the most of it and don’t make the mistakes people like myself have made. I did make some mistakes, with that, the gambling side of it.”
He continued: “Like I say, it’s embarrassing. And that for me when you talk about the numbers (losing more than £1m in gambling debts), it’s frightening. It is frightening.
“You know, that might have been over a period of time. Some of them, big bets when you go to the races. You have a few beers and you might start upping the stakes because you’re winning. Or you think you’re winning.
“Then you get home that night and you look at your account and you’re thinking, ‘Oh my God, I’ve lost. I’ve had the best day ever and won lots of money, but I’ve actually lost and I’ve actually lost a lot.’
“I just think what if I had just had the education earlier, and what we’re doing now with EPIC is hugely important because there are lots of people out there who have got these issues.
“They will have issues with gambling at some point. And with EPIC now, if we’ve got an opportunity to tell them how bad it was for me, who played at the highest level, it could stop people from any level, maybe thinking about things differently.”
“I’m not telling people not to have a bet, far from it, but it’s just not for me anymore and not for people around me. But I understand if you can do it responsibly, then yeah, that’s fine, but I couldn’t do it responsibly. That wasn’t the way I was wired.
“There’ll be lots of players out there now who hopefully can hear what we’re saying. What I’m saying now is find a way, reach out, speak to us, speak to other people. Anything that can help anyone is key because if we get to the root of it quickly, then maybe we can help more.
“You can almost see it in people’s eyes, you can almost see it in people’s faces because they’re just not themselves. And you don’t want that to transfer onto the football pitch.
“I don’t believe it ever did for me personally. When it’s match day, it’s match day. You go out and play. But afterwards you might think, ‘Flipping heck! I wish I hadn’t done that.’ When the game’s on, it’s game time so you just crack on and you find a way to get through it.
“With the gambling side of it, it’s that easy nowadays. It wasn’t as easy when I first started having a bet. You had to go into the bookmakers, put your bet on. Nowadays everything’s online, isn’t it?
“And it’s not me having a go at the companies online at all, but they just have to be sensible in the way they’re managing their stuff as well, because, the players nowadays, at any level earning an absolute fortunes, especially at the highest level.
“If they’re having a bet, God knows what they’re betting.”